1/ I’ve known @nickwh8te for nearly 6 years. We met while building Harmony Protocol, he was a cofounder, I led growth. Nick is a genuine builder who cares about pushing crypto forward. We caught up on the pod to talk @celestia: what it is, why it matters, where it’s going. Summary Peter Abilla interviews Nick White, VP at Celestia Labs, to unpack how Celestia is solving the blockchain scalability problem. They explore the breakthrough of data availability sampling, the shift from monolithic to modular blockchains, and how Celestia fits into the broader Ethereum ecosystem. Nick shares insights on trade-offs in modular design, product market fit, cost advantages, and what’s next for ZKVMs and modular infra. Takeaways • Celestia is redefining how blockchains handle data availability • Blockchain scalability remains a major challenge • Data availability sampling (DAS) is a core innovation • Modular blockchains offer flexibility and specialization • Trade-offs exist between modular and monolithic designs • “Cathedral vs. Bazaar” analogy captures the decentralization shift • Celestia works alongside Ethereum, not against it • Product market fit depends on developer traction and real-world use • Celestia reduces costs and improves reliability • ZKVMs are key to the future of modular blockchain development Timeline (00:00) Introduction to Celestia and its vision (01:00) The scalability challenge in blockchain (06:04) How data availability sampling works (10:10) Comparing monolithic and modular blockchains (14:39) Trade-offs of modular blockchain design (18:21) The Cathedral and Bazaar analogy (22:41) How Celestia fits into the blockchain ecosystem (24:49) What makes Celestia’s architecture unique (26:08) Defining product market fit for Celestia (31:05) Cost savings and performance benefits (35:48) Distribution and growth strategy (40:13) ZKVMs and the modular future (44:36) What’s coming next for Celestia -------- Episode is brought to you by @infinex. Experience crypto designed for humans: